With all of the claims by Alarmists, including celebrities that would know, how can CO2 cause ocean warming and hurricanes?

ED:  Little old meek CO2, not to mention the even equally more meek human emitted CO2, does not have the horsepower or the inclination to raise the energy of the ocean enough to cause the hurricanes Harvey or Irma.   Spencer weighs in on the coupling or lack thereof between AGW and hurricanes.

A very provocative article from Bloomberg on the question above.    In the past (don’t have specific references at this point) is that the worst hurricanes occurred in the early 1900’s and in the 1930’s.  I haven’t seen data on ocean temperatures for those times.   It is a real shame that Googling Ocean Temperature History, most references are from government sources, primarily NOAA, and EPA, neither having established themselves as bastions of honesty and integrity, so I can’t base any assessment on their data, and there is not a lot else that I can see that is trustworthy.   Quite disarming.  And there is the whole question of what people mean by “Climate Change”, given the climate has always been changing and always will – really a cliché now.  Just to recap (I know preaching to the choir), “Climate Change” came into vogue, when most people began to disregard “Global Warming”, because for too long it wasn’t, and I believe that if anyone is pressed for what they mean, it is that the increase in CO2 is causing the climate to change because of the CO2-induced warming, so back to square one.

One of the more pertinent points raised in this article, seems to me is point 6:  “What explains the recent run of quiet hurricane seasons?”  It goes on to say there were lots of really bad storms that didn’t hit the US, but that doesn’t make for a “quiet hurricane season”.   I am always struck by people making statements like the one here:  “The US did indeed go without a strike by a major hurricane (Category 3 or above) between 2005 and 2017, the longest gap on record going back to 1851.”  But all this means is that it was worse before 1851, and what was the ocean temperature then????  They list other “monster storms” hitting elsewhere in the Caribbean, but there were several years with no large storms.  Sandy (Wikipedia) in 2012 was called a “superstorm” and the was the second-costliest storm in US history, but was only Category 2, when off the US Northeast.  I don’t know details of hurricane classification, but I suppose damage cost and deaths are functions of much more than just the hurricane itself, think Ray Nagin letting school buses sit idle while he partied, during Katrina.

Maybe all of this is beside the point, which is ocean temperature.  I would guess that there is some validity to arguing that higher ocean surface temperature fosters more severe storms, but frustrating that it is so difficult to find believable data – a point that the whole climate community seriously needs to address.  But regardless of that, the main issue otherwise would be why is ocean surface temperature higher, if indeed it is and has a real correlation to severe storm intensity/frequency?  I seriously doubt, based on what we have read and understand at this point, that anything could possibly be blamed on CO2.

Of course the answer to the question above is NO!!

So how'd Hurricane Irma's evacuations have gone if Florida ran on green energy?

September 9, 2017

By Jack Hellner

There are many people throughout the world who advocate stopping the use of all fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are said to be dirty, wasteful, polluting, and the source of profits for, horrors, Big Oil.

That's all fine and dandy, but there's a such thing as a mass emergency evacuation, such as we see with Hurricane Irma. And we saw city and state officials bending over backward to ensure adequate fuel supplies for the likely coming evacuation in the days before the storm. They weren't touting wind power at a time like that, it was all about getting gas tankers to fill the stations. Some even had police escorts to ensure their delivery so that people would be able to fill up for the trip out.

Wouldn't the evacuation of over five million people have gone as well without fossil fuels? We could have all the cars, airplanes, semis, cruise ships and road equipment either powered by wind and solar or maybe batteries which were charged only on wind and solar since there would be no fossil fuels. This is pretty close to the actual plan for places such as California, but don't think there aren't others who would follow in the name of virtue-signaling in the media. Speaking of the press, maybe all the reporters who go to and leave from Florida should arrive and leave without fossil fuels since almost all of them pontificate about how much damage these same fossil fuels cause.    Here is an easy question: How do windmills and solar panels get mined, produced, transported and installed without machines powered by fossil fuels?   And if global warming is the cause of all these storms, as the left claims, isn't it interesting that the last Category 4 hurricane to hit Houston was 56 years ago in 1961 during the 1945-1976 global cooling period?   Thank goodness for fossil fuels that have greatly improved the quality and length of life the last 150 years. Think of the thousands of products that are derived from crude oil.

There are many people throughout the world who advocate stopping the use of all fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are said to be dirty, wasteful, polluting, and the source of profits for, horrors, Big Oil.

That's all fine and dandy, but there's a such thing as a mass emergency evacuation, such as we see with Hurricane Irma. And we saw city and state officials bending over backward to ensure adequate fuel supplies for the likely coming evacuation in the days before the storm. They weren't touting wind power at a time like that, it was all about getting gas tankers to fill the stations. Some even had police escorts to ensure their delivery so that people would be able to fill up for the trip out.

Wouldn't the evacuation of over five million people have gone as well without fossil fuels? We could have all the cars, airplanes, semis, cruise ships and road equipment either powered by wind and solar or maybe batteries which were charged only on wind and solar since there would be no fossil fuels. This is pretty close to the actual plan for places such as California, but don't think there aren't others who would follow in the name of virtue-signaling in the media. Speaking of the press, maybe all the reporters who go to and leave from Florida should arrive and leave without fossil fuels since almost all of them pontificate about how much damage these same fossil fuels cause.    Here is an easy question: How do windmills and solar panels get mined, produced, transported and installed without machines powered by fossil fuels?   And if global warming is the cause of all these storms, as the left claims, isn't it interesting that the last Category 4 hurricane to hit Houston was 56 years ago in 1961 during the 1945-1976 global cooling period?   Thank goodness for fossil fuels that have greatly improved the quality and length of life the last 150 years. Think of the thousands of products that are derived from crude oil. Read more:  American Thinker

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We should revisit occasionally what the proper role of government is.   As the constitution was a good sense of direction, we need a core set of principles to add in order to deal with the future.

So many want to engineer society, remove risk, assist certain groups, rather than let individuals thrive and raise communities.  Why?

Is Democracy where we all "get it good and hard" or is it the best means to a free society?

Should we roll with the special interests, or make the government achieve its proper role, what is that role, and how to do this?

When do deficits and governments become too large?

Government is becoming more elitist while trying to sell corrections to problems it created, what makes this possible?